Cross & Gavel Podcast

The Cross & Gavel podcast is designed for lawyers and law students, but our topics range from pop culture to theology, to books and movies. And law. Host Mike Schutt invites a variety of guests to speak on topics relating broadly to faith and culture, but our focus is on the intersection of faith and work, particularly work in the law.

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Recent Podcasts


On Wednesday, September 9, the Department of Education announced a new rule that will protect religious groups meeting on public university campuses. Kim Colby, the director of the Center for Law and Religious Freedom at Christian Legal Society, lays out why the regulation was necessary, and what it will mean for students. The Department's announcement is here.  


Join Drew Nelson and Mike Schutt as they discuss the insights and admonitions of Rod Dreher‘s 2017 The Benedict Option. The book has been widely discussed, and rightly so, in Christian circles since its publication, and, as Drew and Mike discuss, Dreher’s challenge to the Church to be the Church is a welcome one, regardless of the relative dangers of secular culture. Yet the book’s insights on that score are helpful, too, and Drew and Mike highlight Dreher's key insights on politics, education, and technology as they relate to his main thesis. 


Center attorneys, Director Kim Colby and Litigation Director Reed Smith, discuss the Supreme Court's Bostock v. Clayton County decision. 


Center attorneys, Director Kim Colby and Litigation Director Reed Smith, discuss the Supreme Court's June Medical Services v. Russo decision. 


Center attorneys, Director Kim Colby and Litigation Director Reed Smith, discuss the Supreme Court's Espinoza v. Montana Dept. of Revenue decision. 


Pastor and author Mark Bertrand shares lessons from the Psalms. 


Guest Greg Rummel talks about how a stage 4 cancer diagnosis prepared him to encourage others in these anxious times. 


Carl Caton of the San Antonio Marriage Initiative believes that family law lawyers and judges are key players in the project to encourage and support the family. 


Mike Schutt and Drew Nelson discuss The Odyssey and consider why Christians should read the ancient pagans. 


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